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The Biggest Vulnerability to Every Business | Inside 4Ds

October 5, 2019


– I think people talk a big game that they wanna build a
hundred million dollar company, but aren’t willing to do the
sacrifices, nor should they. If one isn’t passionate
enough, or happy enough to sacrifice golf, or
family time, or leisure, then they shouldn’t. But I think focus is, I’m running out of time
or focus is the great entrepreneurial excuse for my actions don’t match my ambitions. This portion is like with me, so I think this is when
you need to get selfish. Like, you need to ask your question. Hiring is guessing, firing is knowing. Like, you gotta go fast,
that’s how you get shit done. That’s how you figure stuff out. This is the television, and the television is the radio. The 4Ds motherfuckers. – And so my question is, and I sort of took away already a lot of information from what we’ve been talking
about all day is that, so I have a ton of
content that I can create, and I feel sort of mired in the inability to sort of fare it out, like
how to organize the content and start delivering,
because it’s across not only just one problem that
people are having, but like if you look at women’s entire
reproductive life cycle, I have 20 years of clinical experience, I work with over 10,000 women, it’s like volumes of
content to be creating in PMS, cramping, menopause,
pregnancy, and fertility, and I can’t decide like
should I just focus in on one. – No. – So go, I’ll just let you answer. – Well, I’m just jumping
on that on that one cause it’s so easy, I’ll
let you keep talking, but the answer’s of course not, because as you know,
that then just limits you to that narrow of a thing. The whole punch line of this whole thing, and I’m sure for a lot
of you is driving down the cost of creative and that is not just having the ability to
produce creative at a cost that you can afford, it
actually starts with your own subjective opinion about the creative. – Say more about that. – It’s the biggest
reason everyone’s losing. You’re judging it before
it hits the day of light in your own ecochamber, the end. I have no idea how well
my posts are gonna do, I have hypotheses, I have intuition, I like debating with
my own self out of how good am I at knowing the
current state of my audience or potential audience, but on
a daily basis I’m surprised on upside and downside
of pieces of content. It’s humility. It’s actually respecting your customer more than your own opinion. – And ego. – Ego’s just insecurity in makeup. The end. Like, what’s so crazy about
this little three minutes already is how unmotivated I am for anything else to talk about. Like how I very much feel
that for the majority of your businesses, I’ve just
answered the actual question. Cause now what happens,
and sensing the moment with the seven of us is if
you can actually believe that, well then you can imagine
how much time you spend on completely different things, which leads to actually making. What I figured out, and why
the Gary V content model was such a big hit when I put it out is cool, first I needed the
reactions that I just got, second, now you decide
how do you build the most efficient infrastructure to
extract the most content out. – I think that’s the
problem, is like, for me, is that there’s so much content
to potentially be created. – It’s why– – How do you do it in
a cost effective way? – It’s why I want people
to build podcasts. Let me explain why, I think
podcasts is a triple arbitrage. One, you get the podcast,
and people are listening in the world today. Two, you film the podcast, which gives you an ungodly
amount of post-production capabilities to, I mean, you
guys are most likely here because you’re aware of me, this is how you became
aware of me, you know? The post-production
capabilities of that filming give you three, four, seven, 12, yet one mother load
piece of content for your YouTube and Facebook video, you then get, the potential to have six to
19 pieces of other content that come from a moment or two, and then the third arbitrage
and the triple arbitrage is your guest. – Cause then you’re
multiplying your explosion? – I’m doing something right
now that’s super interesting. Literally in the last two
days I’ve posted a question for Mark Cuban, and yesterday
a question from Shawn Mendes. – [Guy] He went to high
school with my son. Is that right? That’s awesome. So, you know, it’s working, and they both, neither question was so, I mean Cuban’s for sure was
super narrow for Instagram, it’s hiring, that’s LinkedIn
more than Instagram. Shawn’s question is a little more passion, little bit more that works, but both over indexed it,
both over a million views on Instagram, which is
a high water mark for me because they have brand equity. So you can imagine, you
know, this is why the ask, you know, I know you guys have heard this, watch what I’m doing, not what I’m saying, the Ask Gary V Show was a quick early tell of how smart I understood this. I started a Q&A show because I didn’t have to do
anything to create the content, the content was, I was put
on third and a half base, I need to give myself awareness that I understand what I’m
talking about in my world and I’m quick to think and I can do it, everyday somebody walked in
and asked me four questions, I just answered them. – So easy. – The questions were happening on Twitter, which inherently created
more awareness of me because people saw people
asking me questions. So I’m very good at, do
you see where I’m going? I’m very good at creating frameworks which led to me what ended
up being the holy grail of I’m just fucking film myself
as often as humanly possible and post-produce. – And when you post your podcast, sometimes they’re in person? – You wanna get real crazy, apologize? I’ve never said this out loud. This entire program was
built on that thesis. Not on the other thesis. I’m gonna put myself in a
room to answer more specific business questions for the
content, fuck the revenue. – Can I ask the basic
question, just what is, tell me what a podcast
is, like on Spotify? Like, spoken? Is that live or active, or it’s just? – It’s post-produced. Like you record either you
talking, or a conversation, and then you upload it. – Anywhere? – To everywhere. – Everywhere. – That accepts it. Which is why, you know, it’s funny, I was a big advocate,
maybe you were following me at this point, of this app called Anchor, that got bought by Spotify, ironically. And everybody thought
like I was an investor, things of that nature, I just like, I just wanted to be historically correct. I wish I had invested in,
it would’ve made sense. But I was not really
investing at that time because it made it super easy,
you could literally record it on your phone, and then hit one button, and it would’ve uploaded to
all the podcast platforms, and I still think that’s how it works, or maybe they shut it down, I don’t know. But everyday technology
advances to make shit easier. It used to be hard to get on the internet. Podcast excites me for a lot of reasons. Cause it’s a triple arbitrage. You’re making audio, and
if you hire a writer, you’re actually quadruple arbitraging, now you can turn it into
written form, the transcription. – What about if you just
use this technology. – I’m always into. Everybody when they kind of, you know, a lot of people are in no culture, right, that is not true for the six of you, you wouldn’t be doing what you’re doing if you weren’t into yes culture. But as you can imagine, most
people are into no culture, and the easy thing for
everybody to say to me, especially now that people
are becoming more aware of me, they’re like easy for you
Gary, you have a whole team, I’m like I didn’t have a
team for eight fucking years, motherfucker. I have a team because
I did it for a decade, which eventually gave me
leverage to have a team. – So you earned the team. – I fucking did everything,
I fucking did it. I mean, the first version of
me to society was on Twitter outside of my YouTube wine show, and it was built on the fact
that I spent seven hours a day on Twitter replying to everybody that was talking about wine. Every one of the seven of us
can go on Twitter right now, search a key word of anything
to do with our business and literally jump into a conversation as if we were at a
chamber of commerce event and biz developing. People are either not
educated, or just hate the fact that the game is predicate on
quite a bit of a lot of work. You know, like this $1.80
strategy that I put out, everybody who does it gets results because nobody’s replying to comments, so when you do, it stands out. Everyone’s like I wanna grow my Instagram, I’m like I’m aware selfish motherfucker, what about being selfless
and actually reply to the eight people, you just posted an hour ago,
eight fuckers said something, and you didn’t have the humility or foresight to reply to them? You just had the audacity to ask why you didn’t get 12 comments. You literally posted something,
people literally replied, and you left. It’s like giving a presentation
in a business format, people asking you questions
from the presentation and you walking out of
the room and going home. That’s what people do
everyday on Instagram and then they’re baffled
why they’re not growing because everybody cares about themselves. And that’s not what the
audience likes to feel. You guys watch me cause
I was bringing value. – [Man] Do you think
that there was some magic to you starting on
Twitter and being deeply involved in one platform? Cause I think one of the– – No, I think it’s a talent game. I think about this like Deion Sanders. If you’re capable of playing
baseball and football, you play it. So for me, it wasn’t that I
was deeply involved in that, cause I was deeply involved in YouTube, and blog and bulletin boards, which was fucking OG shit that mattered. So, no, it that’s I’m a great communicator and love getting my hands dirty, and as patience fuck, so all that mixed into
a very good formula, but, you know, I also
notice in the history, since I’ve been a professional, I’ve been on every arbitrage, Google AdWords, e-commerce, email, YouTube, social media, everything, except one thing, there’s
a huge gap in my resume from 2002 to 2006, and
that was the blog era. Remember, blogs exploded. Because I didn’t have
infrastructure around me and because I can’t write for shit, I just had to sit there
frustrated as fuck, and watch it pass me. I would’ve had the number
one blog in wine in 2004, I knew it was happening. There’s nothing that’s gonna
happen in consumer behavior and communication that I’ll
ever miss until the day I die. And now the reason I
built the machine is to always be able to take advantage of it, but, I missed, like, it’s a fun thing, you know, I’ve never, I
don’t think I’ve really said this out loud either, it’s
the one gap in my resume. I couldn’t write. Self awareness. – [Man] Do you feel like
focus is a challenge for small businesses, cause it’s like you go to a thing like this. – I think, no, I don’t
think focus is a challenge, I think people not mapping their execution to their ambition. I don’t think it’s focus,
I think it’s excuses. I think people talk a big thing that they wanna 100 million dollar company but aren’t willing to do the
sacrifices, nor should they. If one isn’t passionate
enough or happy enough to sacrifice golf or
family time or leisure, then they shouldn’t. But I think focus is, I’m running out of time
or focus is the great entrepreneurial excuse for my actions don’t match my ambitions. I think we need a huge culture of I wanna build a $400,000 business. I think the number one
thing that will lead to so much more happiness in our society is people raising their hand and saying I’m gonna build a $480,000 business. Meaning net profit, I’m gonna do a million in
revenue, $520,000 expenses, and I’m gonna fucking love life. I want that, you know, I
think people are so confused at times what I’m actually saying. I want to buy the New York Jets. Most people should not, or
do not, you know, or don’t. So, no, I don’t think it’s focus. I think people actually don’t
wanna put in the hour of work in replying to their DMs because
they’re not hungry enough because it doesn’t make them happy enough, and that’s super okay. But right now, entrepreneurship
is in the same place that college was 20 years ago, where everybody has to get a degree. Right now everybody has
build a huge business. Which is counter to what
the internet allows, which is the internet’s the greatest place to build small businesses. Got it? So, I think, and that’s why I push, like, this is how, this is
how my content evolved. My 2012, 13, 14, 15
content was very tactical cause I don’t wanna be
a motivational speaker, but then like, being deeply,
and making this content, I started looking at
the comments, listening, and I’m like fuck, this is a mental game. This is people’s frameworks
of how they see things. You have to put yourself, ready? Back to looping it all the way back. We have to put you in a position that you enjoy the
process that lends itself to the biggest output of content. So instead of a podcast, maybe you’re doing a probono
event for organizations for female employees always, but what you’re really
doing is filming it. I publicly speak for two reasons, I enjoy it, like genuinely enjoy it, and, it’s unbelievably effective for top of the funnel creative for me for things that I’m
trying to aspire to do. Number three is, it’s a fuck load of money for an hour of speech. You know? – [Male] One of the things
I’m struggling with is, you know when you say your
default is the hustle of heart, I find that that’s my default as well, that if I can handle
and grow something by– – Shear will. – [Male] Yeah, and then as things grow, and you get a few more
runs, and things are bigger, and you almost have to trust other people and things stop growing the same pace and you wish that you
were all in one thing but you actually can’t
take your eye off the ball with other stuff, so you can’t go all in as you did at the very start. – Because you’re trying
to win games 31 to 27. And I’m trying to win games 210 to 209. – [Male] Because you
just play longer game? – It’s not longer, it’s
that I don’t care about at the fact that anybody
who touches it besides me is doing it at a 60 to 70% version of me, because I don’t get to
judge for the customer. Owners overreact on the customer’s behalf. Got it? Just cause you know what you
would’ve done if you did it, I don’t have to have my
client feel the delta between what I would do,
versus what Sinan would do, I need them to feel what the
difference is between Sinan and any other agency would do. And owners get fucked up, and think about the
difference between them and their employees, which is
why they all micromanage, which is why they don’t
build big businesses. It’s cool, right? You know, I got, you know what’s funny, I’m having a moment with myself right now, here’s what happened. My dad is so the polar opposite of me that I got to grow up, and
I was so different naturally that I actually got to
watch both ways play out in extremes. My dad’s two highest paid employees, for the entire course of
him running the liquor store worked the register because he didn’t want people to steal. My cousin, and the most
senior other employee were the cashiers. There were literally customers
walking on the floor, looking for help, you could’ve gotten much more percentage of their wallet and he didn’t want that, he
wanted them at the register because he played
defense against stealing. Got it? That’s why. You’re in that framework,
that’s your perspective. You’re fearing that you
don’t know what’s Karen’s gonna do with it, and
thus you may lose it. So you’re going there. What I’m doing is getting two more, knowing that Karen’s
gonna keep it five to nine out of 10 times anyway. I couldn’t get those
two if I’m sitting here making sure Karen doesn’t lose it. That’s what it is, I promise
you, that’s what it is. And then what, what I’m good at is getting better at picking the Karens. Karen sucks, Rick, Rick sucks, Susan, Susan sucks, Sally, Jamal, Kenish, Juki. (twisting tongue) – [Male] But with nothing that, you know, many people
have different styles and different way to skin a cat, kind of your way is the hustle
way, excuse those words, but it’s very getting your hands dirty, and even they’re talented individuals and you can trust them and
you need big teams to grow, you know, because other
companies grow with VC or partnerships, or different stuff, like, if you’re doing a grass roots organically, that, at some point you
have to be involved in, at some point that’s
spirit and that tenacity needs to be there. – Sure. – [Male] It needs to
have a part of you in it. – I have 900 employees
in Singapore, London, Los Angeles, and New York, I understand. I do not feel it doesn’t have me in it. Meanwhile, the entire company’s out of here at 6 p.m. Except my team. I don’t require my employees to live the same framework I live. That’s the other, that
was the other, I mean, we’re getting meadow with dad today, it’s another thing that
just popped in my mind, my dad would spend all
this time complaining about employees not doing it his way, I’m like why don’t you
make them your partner. If they’re your equal
partner in your liquor store they’ll probably work as hard as you. You’re paying them $6.05 an hour. Owners are audacious. So it’s you’re either losing, and that’s what I believe,
leaving opportunity on the table, out of audacity, or ideology. Both are bad. You know? – [Man] So was that
ever a struggle for you. – Nope. But like, but that– – [Man] From Twitter to your first person that started out, first hire, it was like, okay I can just do this and you were able to kind of turn? – Well, you’re talking about
from a content standpoint, for me as a personal
brand, I never gave it up. I still post everything. Like back to not having grammar skills, when I write a little
bit on an Instagram post, you can sniff it out. You know? I don’t make it, they’re
in post production. But I just titled the
post that’s going up in an hour and 24 minutes. I just literally walked by Daniel’s desk, watched the King Bach question, thought about what I wanted to say, and actually titled it. That doesn’t mean I
won’t let them title too. But the posting I’ll do
and the copy I write. That’s why we created
team Gary V accounts. It’s me. Nobody believes it’s me. – [Guy] Cause it’s so much content. – Because it’s devastating
when you think about, like the amount of people that, the people that follow
me have some version of not wanting to be like me but are living similarish lives and they’re
saying for themselves, all right, he’s running
1000 person company, like they’re looking at
everything and they’re like, and they’re running a six person company and they’re not posting on their behalf. They can’t even begin to start the process of thinking it’s me. But I value the trenches. And people value the ivory towers. And that is why nobody scares me. – [Woman] But also that’s
probably why your content is so performant is because
it’s authentically you. – 100%. – [Woman] 100% and
that’s what’s different, and so, very frequently that’s not. – And, I know what I’m talking about. Like, if you really like
look at the landscape, people are pontificating for the sake of being a motivational
speaker or a thought leader. This is why I’m so bullish on you. You actually have the skillset. If tomorrow I started a wine only program I would be the biggest in
five minutes if I was not me. I have the knowledge, you know, like, I would be a top five sports caster in our society right now if I started. I know a lot about sports, and I know how the framework works. I’d be bigger than Stephen
A. Smith, I promise. It wouldn’t even take
me that long, Stephen. 100%. That’s a compliment to
Stephen that I used him as the context but he wouldn’t win. – [Male] I was like what
is the game you chose? – Yeah, that’s a compliment, but like, the audacity is very high in my body and I would deliver
cause I know the consumer and I know how to get the awareness. Stores? – Stores. – Physical?
– Physical retail stores. – Your own, or selling wholesale? – Our own. – How many? – We have five right now. And what we’ve been doing
is we’ve been able to get percentage of sales deals. And so we have– – Cause real estate’s fucked. – Yeah, real estates fucked. – I love it. I love it. You know, back to like,
under priced attention, everyone’s shitting on retail. And I think is gonna be
a golden era for retail. You’re dead in retail if you
signed your lease six years ago and have 14 years to go. If you’re buying real estate today, there is some arbitrage. – Right, we don’t have any long term. So, almost month to month. Like we can pull out whenever we want. – Yep, go ahead. – And I’ve been working the stores. – Love it. – So I’ve been learning a lot, and I think what’s missing is the story that I’ve seen develop
from my dad from 2010 to 2019, and what I mean by that is, you know, people will come
in and there’s such a demand for athletic clothing,
they’ll buy without leaving, without really understanding that. And it’s hard to, you know, train your, you do your best
to train your sales associates on the story. – You should tell the
stories before they walk in, and after they walk in, and not rely on it being in the store. – Okay. – It should be apart of it. – Right. – But your control from
the top is extraordinary. – And that’s what I wanna do
here is I really wanna show where the values of the business are, and I think, you know, what my dad values, and something we were
talking about recently was, he said, he’s like I don’t
really care about making money, I just wanna express my creativity and create a great product. – I understand. – And I want that to, you know, I want everyone in the
business to know that, and I want every customer to know that. – Listen, I have had a
really intriguing time with myself in the last
year of realizing how much money is unbelievably
not interesting to me. So I understand that and
believe it could be true. I like it as a competitor
cause it’s a scoring mechanism. Obviously I wanna buy the Jets and realize I’m not gonna win it, I’m
not gonna buy them on karma. But I get it. – Yeah, and that’s– – Happiness, happiness. – That was the whole idea was he saw what the crappier
companies were doing to the bigger beer distributors
and he wanted to do the same thing with apparel. – And by the way, by the way, why stories and contextual stories and
contemporary stories matter against all odds, some
of the stuff we’re doing with Budweiser around
actually telling stories, whether Women’s World Cup, or D Wade, this is why big companies, when Goliath starts understanding
how to act like David good shit can happen for Goliath. – Yeah, so I guess my question is I wanna be able to convey that and I’ve been thinking about
where to start whether, I mean I’m hearing podcast a lot. – Podcast, YouTube, I mean this is super, like, it’s literally just a game of starting. – Yeah, and I mean you can
get into the weeds of like paid ads and all that stuff, but I think, I really just wanna nail the story first and get that out there. – But I’ve got some good news. The story’s a piece of cake. You’re not correct, you’re not Vince McMahon and Walt Disney. You have a literal actual story. It’s why mine’s so easy. I sold lemonade, I sold baseball cards, I bagged ice, like, it’s not like, I didn’t have to think about it. – That’s true. – What was your dad thinking in 2007 that led him to 2010? Like you can do this in perpetuity. What happened in 1979? You know, like you can
do this in perpetuity. – Yeah. – So you’re over thinking it. – Yeah, just start. – Just tell it. – Tell it. – Just tell it.
– Yeah. – Like take your fucking
phone and stick it in your dad’s face and
let him talk and post it. – Yeah. – And then read the
comments and be like oo, people like that part. (clicking tongue) Bottom up, everyone’s top down. Everyone’s like I’m gonna figure it out and they’re gonna like it. I’m like I have no fucking idea, I’m gonna watch what they like. Got it?
– Yeah. – Just fucking post. I mean, I literally look like
a hostage in the Middle East in like my fucking first
Wine Library TV episodes. Like,
(chuckling) literally I look at them
like, that’s like cliche 1984 hostage situation shit. – And my question is, you
say like fuck figures, stuff like that.
– Yes. – For me that’s like easy
once I get to know people. – Okay. – You know, but however when it’s new, it’s not like that.
– I understand. – And that’s how I kind of
came to about knowing you. – Okay. – And the people that do know me, yep, like I’ll go on a rant with them and they’ll be like holy shit
have you ever read this guy? – Yeah, and you’re like
who the fuck is this guy? – And it’s for like,
similar ways like I’ll, I never, like I’ll dress regularly, I don’t give two shits
what my hair looks like, just most of the time just put
a hat on cause it’s that bad and just straight work hustle. Cause I’ll post anything, I literally don’t give
a shit about Facebook, about any of it.
– Okay. – But when it’s in,
like I guess in person, or like this, it’s a little bit different. – That’s okay. – It’s like how do you break out of that? – Practice. – But when you’re hustling 24/7, like as, you know what I mean? – Yeah, yeah. – I mostly work Friday 8
a.m., you go home Sunday. – I get it, I did it. It still doesn’t change,
it still doesn’t change the answer to your question. – Wait what’s his question? What part about doing it in person? – Yeah, I guess, yeah. – And why do you want that to happen? Is that in real human life, or is that for business purposes. – No, real, like, human life, because when, so you can be yourself, and then that’s a little bit. – Here’s my thing, this may, you know, I don’t know if this
is gonna liberate you, but I can’t believe how much this is, after working through, but practice, talk, talk, talk, think, think, think, the reason I’m good in both, I think, or, that’s not a good
word, comfortable in both, is cause I know that nobody
knows me all the way. I don’t mind, you’re just
talking about judgment. You do know that, it’s just judgment. And by the way, same with
me, I’m a tough guy on video, and on stage I’m far more passive. Like I’m high energy. Like ask Nick, ask Sinan, ask them, like, I’m very passive,
non confrontational, like very much in real life. It’s just, context matters. So I understand how
people can be different, but what you’re referring to, inner personal, new,
first time networking, or what have you, it’s judgment. You actually value the person’s judgment. Which I actually understand,
we all have that. Here’s my thing on judgment. They don’t have the context
to be able to judge you. The reason, but it’s also, here’s what’s a very important part, what people don’t understand
about this is the following, the reason I can deal
with people misjudging me, and plenty people do, often, is because I also don’t listen to people that give me accolades. The reason people are so
vulnerable to judgment is cause they thirst accolades. – Cause they care what other people think. – They thirst a claim, they get it, but then when they get negative feedback they’ve already put
feedback on a pedestal. I can’t hear either. You know? Do you know how flattering it feels for somebody to say they have goosebumps that you walk into a room? Like, like, just
comprehending that right now as I say it out loud is
wild, it’s so flattering. I don’t know what else
to say, it’s just like remarkably flattering, however, how that synthesizes
through my body is equal to somebody saying that
I’m a snake oil salesman. That’s why I’m able to
deal with everything. I just know that you don’t know who I am. And I don’t know who you are. – [Male] If your legacy is
that you own the baseball team. – Football. – [Male] Football team. – It’s okay, get this man out of here. (laughing) – [Male] If that’s your legacy. – That won’t be my legacy. – Speaking of judgment. – But go ahead. – [Male] But if it’s
something that you achieve, but if you, if this is the
greatest human organization, is that enough, like is
it okay that you do it through communications
and through advertising, or do you think that
this is a stepping stone you say for broader? – I think the question becomes for whom. You know, when you ask is it okay, for me, you mean? I assume that would the right set. For me, the, I don’t,
buying the New York Jets is my ambition, the process
of trying is my happiness. – [Male] Yeah. – I’ve already won, it’s over. – [Male] You already have won. – It’s over.
– [Male] Okay. – I don’t want the trophies,
I want the process. Once I started putting a lot
of pieces of my life together, I dropped the Yankees and the Rangers when they won their championships. I stopped following them because I don’t want what most people want which is to wear those
hats and jerseys to give me self esteem from an outside force, I have my own self
esteem, I want the chase. I used to judge myself
that used to just want girls to like me and that was enough. Like I didn’t understand that, I thought I was a bad person, right? Like, you know, that was just like not, like I would talk to my mom about it, be like I just want to
get them to like me, I don’t even want, I wasn’t
even about like hooking up and not talking to them,
just the process of could I, and it felt like, it
felt bad in that format, but in real life, it’s actually a very
good format of happiness. You’re not looking for that
validation or that trophy, you just like your game. I’m just so happy. – [Male] I guess my
question stems from the personal branding part because
for me personal branding in the history of advertising
is kind of sad, actually, in a way, but you’re actually,
you’re an inspiration to many for non-advertising related industries. – Yes, correct. – [Male] But actually,
because of what you’ve done you’re an inspiration, you know, you’re already up there with the legendary advertising figures like
Google and those guys. – Wait, you’re being very flattering, like, what I don’t think people understand what I’m really up to, and
you’re starting to go down that path, and I don’t want
you to steal my thunder, so I’m jumping in, I think I’m gonna break the whole history of it. – [Male] Do you recognize
and do you know that that’s? – Yes, I’m excited about it. I’m excited that it’s
not about Vayner becoming a billion dollar holding
co, which it will, I’m excited that 21 year old Karen is gonna start a great shop and never sell it to Publicis. The only way you break our industry is don’t let the bankers
buy up all the shops. I don’t do that by
building a huge company, I do that by inspiring an entire
generation of 20 year olds to build a shop and be
happy with 1.3 million kicking $400,000, and enjoying the work life balance in the way they decide it should be done, not whatever’s politically
correct at the moment. Work life balance is
gonna be super differently politically correct when the world melts. There’s going to be a
different point of view of how you should do it. So, yes, for sure. Yeah, my, I wanna be the
greatest entrepreneur of all time because it’s
a fun thing to aspire to, and it will not come in
making the most money. It will come in the form
of bringing the most value to the most entrepreneurs in the world. And I think I got a shot
cause I’m 43 and I’m far along and have a lot of leverage and momentum and I have 50 fucking more
years, at least, to do it. So, if I buy the New York Jets
in the following execution I’m in perpetuitily known
that the Jets come up for sale in 17 years but I have
not amassed enough money but every entrepreneur that
I’ve affected with free value kicks in and we buy them. That’s a fucking good ending to a movie. – [Woman] That’s a super cool coup. – Feels better. (distant commentary) Just think about, you know,
sometimes I think about that, and honestly I’d prefer to
do it myself at some level but I kind of think that
that’s kind of cool too, and was like, and the movement
of like prefer to do it myself to what I just painted
you has gone like this, right? Which means probably in 10
years I’m gonna be like fuck it I’m gonna crowd source the
whole thing, right, like, you know, it’s super interesting
how life actually works. I think karma is the most
practical thing on earth. I really, really do. – [Man] Was there a
transition from goal focused to journey focused? – 100% – [Man] What’d that transition look like? – It was awareness of what I was up to in the thoughtful moments of my life. There wasn’t a tangible thing, it wasn’t that I consumed anything, it was just higher
level of self awareness. It was always there, it’s what I was always doing,
I just didn’t realize it. So it was really subconscious
to conscious awareness of journey over, right? – [Man] What awakened your self awareness, did you intentionally? Did that happen through like
meditation or something? Or did it just come out you. – No, no. And again, I’m not educated enough on how we describe meditation, like, like this is funny to say out loud, I talk to myself all the time. I don’t know if I’m meditating, I don’t know if that’s
what everybody does, I don’t know what you
guys are doing, but like, I don’t know, if I’m taking a shower, or like on a plane, or
like, it’s just very common for me to be thinking an
talking, not like hey Gary, it’s not that literal, but
it’s like I’m always thinking. I’m in tune, and I’m in tune with myself. And like, me. I’m not paying attention to out, it’s why I don’t consume a lot. I figured out what brings
me escapism, the Jets. You know? There’s things that bring me escapism, which I think we all need. Some golf, some vacation a lot, some read, that’s fine, consuming movies, I understand escapism, that took a while, and like oh that’s why I like it. You know, actually that
one came pretty intuitively pretty quickly, by the
time I was in my mind 20s I’m like oh the Jets are good for me, but I took it very literal, I was like oh the Jets play during the
holiday season of Wine Library and because it’s so hard, it’s so nice to have this thing on Sundays that after working 150 hours
a week from Monday to Saturday and that was very literal
but now it’s macro, right? Like, there’s only one thing on earth, and it’s the New York
Jet that when I’m in it nothing else matters, truly. Literally you could tap
me on the shoulder and say the internet has been disabled,
alcohol has been banned, and we’re taking your
voice out of your body, and I’m like cool, just let
me watch the third quarter. And that’s an incredible thing to have. And I wish that on everybody. And I think people have it. I think they have it. I’m more, I think escapism is very good, I think a lot of people use leisure to escape their unhappiness
of their profession. I think a lot of people, that’s where I get kind of worried. You know, are you really
into golf and movies and all this stuff cause you actually
hate your nine to five? Which is still no matter what gonna take up a big percentage. Who’s got questions? – [Guy] Well I’ll just get, if I could. – Please, yeah, this was a little bit, I think people are asking,
we can keep bouncing. – [Guy] My spiel is kind
of like you and your dad, like he taught me to be
successful to be happy, and I always argued, no I wanna
be happy to be successful. And, you know, I’m kind of
a disciple like Dan Millman, Way of the Peaceful Warrior,
that’s kind of what I. – What is that? I apologize. – [Guy] It’s just a way of looking at. – The world? – [Guy] Developing peak
performance in athletics. – Understood. – [Guy] Okay, so I am
approaching my business, as a start up I haven’t sold a thing yet. – Okay. – [Guy] Is I feel like I’m my own customer and I know how advertisers
are getting to me so why don’t I emulate what they’re doing to try to get to other people like me that maybe wanna follow
their hearts or break 80 or become on the, you know,
make it on the PGA tour. And, I’ve seen that through
Facebook funnel marketing that gets you to a
website that has content, and then the content might
lead to something else. – I apologize, my wife text
me something, I apologize. Go to the last part, I apologize. – [Guy] So the last part
is if I’m my own customer. – Yes. You’re scratching the own itch. – [Guy] This warrior trying to, you know. – I see, understand, go ahead. – [Guy] Should I, I know
how people market to me and I buy it and it’s through
Facebook funnel marketing. – Okay. – [Guy] Advertisers, every
fifth post on my Facebook is a, guy just trying to
suck me into a funnel, and why buy everything,
why because I wanna learn about what they’re doing, I wanna see what the hell good content, bad content, whatever. – Yeah, you’re coming
from a B to B approach more than a B to C approach. – [Guy] Okay, so. – Right? Think about that, right? Like, even the fact that you’re
aware that this is a funnel means you’re thinking about
it more as a B to B approach than a B to C approach. – [Guy] Not 100% sure I understand. – Let me say it again,
when you see that stuff you’re aware of what that
stuff’s trying to do to you and you’re probably looking at it to see if you can learn anything for you to do it to somebody else. – [Guy] That’s right. – Okay, you’re doing B to B. B to C is you’re just doing it for people that actually like golf. So where you need to be careful, this is why the whole information selling ecosystem was built, like, all the stuff that I’m not as fond of,
which is lowest common denominator marketing, like
is everybody’s watching, it’s somebody higher
up the pyramid to them and buying their course or their thing in the back of the room, just to, they’re actually buying it so they can do it to somebody else. – [Guy] Well even if
I reverse my mentality and put the customer
first and I am B to C, or, I’ve got to choose the
outlet that I reach them through. – Yes, the outlet’s simple. Like, we can give you, the outlet, there’s nothing easier than
figuring out the outlet. You follow me, and you watch
everything I do everyday. It’s the biggest tell of all time. Why am I asking for your cell number? For my health? Cause I think it’s funny? No, because for 20 years I understand where the consumer’s going next and texting is open for business. Where you deploy it my friend,
you’ve already figured out. Follow me, I’ll give you
all the information for free by you watching what I’m doing. What you need to figure
out that you’re actually doing it for the end
consumer not for somebody who’s done trying to,
like that’s the problem, that’s where those thing. – [Guy] Well my goal is to
inspire the broken hearted, the people that didn’t live their dreams, I want them to do it. – I think that’s amazing. – [Guy] I want them to
be empowered to do it. – What are you selling them? – [Guy] A way of finding peace, I’m actually selling them, the actual product is how
do you get into the zone, like I’ve played sports my whole life. – And, I understand that, in what format? In what container? – Well initially a web format where there’s content and content teaches it, but actually content
is a teaser to get into more direct coaching, interactive. – Understood. So I think the reality is is that as long as you’re coaching
for that specific thing you’re gonna have a much better
chance than coaching them for the sake of coaching,
and what you need to do in my opinion, this is where
people’s personal brands get destroyed is value people, value filtering the right
people who you believe will get value versus anybody
who will write a check. – Okay. – I mean, I could have a 50 million dollar a month mastermind at this point. I mean, probably not, but
like, it could be real big. You know? There’s just an awfully
long line of people that wanna pay me $50,000 a
month to like hang out with me. But that would lead to the
quick erosion of my brand. This was hard for me, in a world where I wanted the content, this was hard. A full Disney and Zappos,
like $10,000 thing, but I was worried that it was too close to things I don’t believe in. That’s why it’s only an hour of me. I needed to not be that. I needed to be way more Disney, and, you know, be our guest, Danny Meyer, and Zappos, this is
Vayner, this is Claude, this is Vayner Nick. I’m thrilled, I like, literally, if I didn’t want the
content I wouldn’t do it. I’m very aware that less
people would sign up, that’s super great. I leave money on the table all the time. That’s 4Ds. So you can imagine if this, right, once and a while people try to rouse me like you were monetizing 4Ds, I’m like motherfucker if I
was monetizing my audience I wouldn’t do it in something
that at the end of the day, you know how much I’m
making on the $12,000, personally, once it
funnels through the machine and overhead, and my
partnership with Steve Ross, $80, $800, whatever it is, I promise you, it’s not as interesting as
other shit I could be doing. It’s the same reason I
sell wine and sneakers. If I’m going to do
anything with my community it needs to be about passions of mine and things they may be doing otherwise. Like, if you buy, I don’t
want anybody who only wears sandals to buy my K. Swiss. I want people to consider it versus another pair of sneakers. I don’t want anybody
who doesn’t drink wine to buy Empathy. If you’re going BevMo!
or fucking Total Wine, and I’ve brought you value, I want you to sign up for Empathy, not to mention the fact
that then on top of that I’m producing a $40 wine for $20, you know what I mean? So like, that’s how I think about shit, you see where I’m going? It’s very important,
otherwise you’ll just be like everybody else and that
industry continues to decline. Too many people like me
giving it away for free. – [Male] This is a question
related to what you said about coming next and related
to what your vision was when you set up Vayner Media. Where are you on blockchain
in terms of media with Bitcoins like Dodge
and Basic Attention Token and those ones? – It’s too early, I’m watching it. – [Male] But, and would you, would you then change
your vision and go all in on something like that? – Yeah, I mean that’s
the best world for me. Like when you have the
leverage you don’t want anybody in the middle to take anything. – [Man] Essentially what you said about advertising agencies. – [Male] But would it need
to relate to the vision I’ve created in a great
human organization, the world’s greatest? Like imagine if block chain and your bet didn’t really have as many people, imagine if it was robots
and you were no longer the world’s greatest organization. – The market is more
powerful than my ambition. So if in your extreme
scenario, if it’s robots, then it’s robots, like,
I don’t have any interest in fighting tidal waves. – [Man] Fight them? – Yeah, I mean I just don’t understand how people fight against technology. It’s undefeated. – [Male] But a lot of
it, a lot of it needs to be destructed in some industries, a lot of it causes corruption
and things like that. – Always. There’s nothing more corrupt than countries printing currency. You know, what I think
what’s fun about you is like, you like to
get philosophical, like, this can get real, you
can stay on this forever, or it can get real simple,
like, it just depends on what perspective you wanna
take with your conversations. You know? Like, I mean you could
take this to the moon, but like I think where
people get caught up in the philosophical conversations
of technology advances is they move too fast. One of the things I’m most proud of, as like a micro bet in the
last three or four years is VR. I mean, if you look carefully enough at my content three, four years ago, two years ago, four years
ago, I was so on it, everybody was hot, Magic
Leap this, VR that, CS 2017 was all about VR, VC funds VR, VR, VR, and I was, yes, and I was extremely loud
saying this is not close. Cause I don’t guess. I bought Bitcoin in 2014. But I’m not a blockchain expert. I’m not into gold rushes. I grew up in the alcohol, I owned WeedLibrary.com in 1997. I’ve been on cannabis, but
I’m not a cannabis expert. I’m patient, and thoughtful, and pay attention. I don’t need to brand myself as an expert or like, do you know how many people, literally that we all know
on Twitter or other things, have in the last four years
been a social media expert, a blockchain expert,
and a cannabis expert? And there’s nothing wrong with chasing, I mean there’s a lot of
quick money to be made. And I don’t judge, it’s just
not what I’m interested in. And so timing matters to me. And so for example, if
we’re gonna go practical on the blockchain conversation,
we got a long way to go. We also have Russia, China,
and America to fight. You think they’re gonna
give it up so fast? People are so naive about blockchain, blockchain undermines the whole thing. If blockchain wins, then
the only thing countries have are weapons, cause if
you take away the peer to peer infrastructure of currency,
it gets real weird, real fast. Whoever the fucking Illuminati are they’re not about blockchain. – [Guy] Who do you think they are? – I don’t know. It’s really funny, like
I so don’t believe in it, I couldn’t believe in it less. I think it’s the subconscious
insecurity of man and woman that creates the Illuminati. People desperately like to think somebody else has control. I don’t. – [Man] Accountability. – Accountability brother, ugh, you got it. Accountability is my Illuminati. You know? – [Woman] That’s a tweet. – Yep. You know, how about we actually take accountability into play? America is deeply racist,
guess what, you can move. You could. You could, I mean, I’m
in America from religious persecution, I’m a refuge. Being Jewish in post World
War II, Soviet Russia meant both my grandfathers
spent significant time in jail for being Jewish. Like, I hate when people are naive. We have so many shortcomings in America, but life’s about alternatives. Like it’s just, I don’t know, like, I don’t know, I hate so many things. Anything that isn’t kind
and wonderful to people I’m against. It’s just that like how are
you gonna boil that ocean? You know, it’s just like, and by the way, like people can say easy for you to say, I fully understand that. Cool, I’ll take it, easy for me to say. Now, like, then it’s
just a comma of now what? Like your happiness doesn’t
come on blaming, you know? Like it just is what it is. The internet, and honestly, I wouldn’t have talked like this pre-internet. I mean it. I think the internet
is grossly underrated. – I have a question for
you on a separate topic. Earlier you talked about breaking things, and that, you know, like
we were talking about the advertising industry,
and the marketing industry, and you’re like I wanna break this. And I also wanna just basically break everything about women’s health. – Love. – And really build technology
that seems impossible. And what advice do you have for like someone who is tackling similar mission? – Tell the truth, and
make content at scale. That’s it. It’s why I like cannabis. I failed all my science classes and suck at anything to do with health knowledge. But deeply, as one human
being’s subjective intuition, I deeply believe that cannabis cures a lot of things that big pharma doesn’t. Like deeply. Like every ounce of my soul. And I’m not a conspiracy
theorist, I’m like the reverse cause my dad is such one, you know? But man, it feels right to me. And so like I like that there’s
so much evolution of like people that have expertise
that have thoughts, and that’s what the internet does. Speak the truth. If I supported television advertising and programmatic banner advertising, Vayner Media would be a
billion dollar company today. 100%. I eat my own dog food. – [Man] Well I was gonna, the
make content at scale thing, which is why I think we’re all
here in some form or fashion, often find it challenging, one, I know I get in my own way a lot, cause it’s like, oh it
needs to be perfect, it’ll come from like
producing music videos. – Yeah you’re already dead. And how old are you? – [Man] 38. – Right, anybody like over
20 who ever did producing something is in deep shit
for what I believe in. Cause the whole religion was. (exciting crosstalk) Subjective quality. – [Male] Yeah, right. – Subjective. – [Male] Comparing yourself to employees. – Like is Blair Witch Project quality? Is a Casey Neistat video, like
what is subjective quality? – [Man] Right, right. – When Steven Spielberg
said Netflix movies shouldn’t be part of it, I
was, I laughed so hard inside. I was like, and now he’s finished. That’s literally what
went through my mind. Like literally it was insane how much, and by the way when I said he’s finished, I meant for one human who
gets to make one judgment, me, I’m like oh he’s a loser. Which blew me away about him
because he was really judged in the late 70s for his film style. It wasn’t supposed to be right. I hate hypocrisy. When people get old, nobody is worse in the world to me than an old, old, old
finished entrepreneur, because she or he often
starts to use their money to change rules. It is the flaw of capitalism. You love it when you’re a young lion and then you wanna change
it when you’re an old lion. – [Man] Well so, Nick
made a comment earlier, dull market with the intent of conversion, and I think a lot around. – Ugh, he’s so right. – [Man] So, I guess the struggle. – Conversion is assumed when you bring value to the audience. – [Man] Yeah, I guess
the struggle is, okay I’ve got $10,000 to budget, or
15, or 20, or 50 or whatever, and it’s like, put an ad on
Facebook, drive conversion straight for purchases
and get money in the door, or drive money, you know,
put other valuable content out that’s a little more indirect. – No, no, do that. No, do that. – [Man] Okay, but just
make sure it’s valuable? – You’ll find that it will convert better when it’s valuable. – [Man] Right, okay, fair enough. – So what I would do is, ready for this? I would take $8000 and do the one move you’ve got that works. It’s this video against
this audience, right? And I would take $2000 from that 10,000 and try shit, got it? And then, you understand? Yeah, I’m practical, I’m not
fucking Mother Teresa out here. By the way, I can’t use
Mother Teresa anymore. Like people get crazy, I guess the conspiracy, I
guess she’s bad too now. – [Woman] What did she do? – I don’t fucking, bad! Yeah there’s bad, trust
me, I see the comments, I haven’t done the homework yet. But anyway. – [Man] Yeah, it also seems like you place a lot more value on comments than metrics. I haven’t heard you
talk about any metrics. Are comments to you, that’s the magic? – Qualitative insights
to help me figure out where I go next value me, like I value that so much more than math that shows me what worked yesterday. That’s why I innovate. – [Guy] You’re not in
the rear view mirror. – I’m not in the rear view mirror. I innovate. Lack of fear. You know? In that format, similar to Judgment 101, like I’m not scared to put out a post. Do you know Instagram especially has just captured so many
people of a generation, they literally post to maximize likes. They’ve killed their own creativity. People start creative on Instagram, win, people start following them, and then they become
a robot of the machine cause they know, do you know
how many attractive women, young women ask me secretly
like at a conference or at a DM of like, I
really know a lot about health and wellness, but when
I post that I get 4000 likes but when I post my ass
or my boobs I get 15,000 and I can’t stop. And I’m like okay, how about not having your self esteem wrapped up in how many likes you get on Instagram. But it becomes the machine. – [Guy] How do you, I mean
anywhere there’s charlatans. – But by the way, that’s the
version of an attractive female then the version of a life
coach is saying something that isn’t, I mean, the people I combat on a daily basis are saying
like, go for the money, get the car, you know,
like, this is what you get if you cut corners, hot chicks
and private planes, and fun, and it’s easy, and it’s passive. (laughing) – [Guy] A detachment, I mean, if you’re. – Yes. Yes, I’m completely detached. I’m so detached I don’t
even think I’m in this room. – [Guy] Yeah. Well it’s cause you don’t
tickle people’s ears, you just, whatever comes in
your head comes out your mouth. It sounds like to me. – Pretty much. And I’m so, and, and, I’m so petrified of being
historically incorrect, that is my North Star. And that comes in all shapes and sizes. That’s why I don’t guess. Cause I could be wrong, and that clip couldn’t exist. I don’t need somebody,
when I’m pontificating, when the whole world knows who I am, when I’m said and done I don’t need Rick from Chili raising his
hand and say you ripped me off. Not interested. I’m old school, bro. My reputation. – So what do you want your legacy to be? – That I gave more than I took. – Wow. – I’m just a unique package
for such an altruistic ambition which is why I’m so confusing. To have somebody who has
this kind of framework that also comes in the form of
being a New Jersey immigrant who loves competition,
fucks with the norms. I’m not a Buddha. I’m not a third generation insecure that I had so much money
from grandpa that I’m gonna give it back to the world. I’m gonna be selfish and
selfless on tilt on both forever. Make sense? – Awesome, makes a ton of sense. – Which is why people are
super thrown off by some of my points of view. It’s actually where I think
our society’s gonna go. I’m actually really excited,
I’m like oh wait a minute, I think I might be a preview human. I think what’s happening
in America and the world for that matter is left
and right are getting so pulled apart that
eventually that breaks and then we come back to the middle, and I think I’m practical optimism, which means I want, like the
thought of like demonizing or winning on fear is just
completely unacceptable. On the flip side, fuck you
and your six place trophies. Like, I understand we all have dreams, I’m not gonna subsidize that from the top. So it’s, you know? It’s almost like if I’m at
a dinner party and talking, like people are so confused
they’re not sure where I sit. You know? – [Male] On the piece about
TV ads and programmatic and the bits you’re leaving on the table, you know, is there
something, what do you think of the 600 billion dollars
spent on advertising globally, and the consumers
get none of it back, do you think that that would
be a way of blowing things up? – No I don’t because
if I think if you look at the last two decades of
anything that looks that way the human then becomes
a person that values their Instagram likes over actual value. If we incentivize people
to watch commercials everyone loses. It’s a great ideology. Go read Marxism. Go read it. Everybody in this room, if they read The Seed to Communism, would love it. Somethings are good on paper. Sounds great to share the money with the person that
watches the commercial until we realize what
happens in the subconscious. – [Male] But the sort of
loyalty reward products like. – Yes, delivering value
for what you paid for it. – [Male] Facebook destructed a lot. They took a big lump out of that. – How so? – [Male] As in, so out of nowhere they get 60 billion dollars of advertisement. – I see. – [Male] 10%. – But so did television from radio. – [Male] So, but you like, what you’d like to do what Facebook did? – Me? No. I don’t build platforms to mass wealth. I don’t build highways, I like being the best toll
booth collector, got it? I don’t create games. That’s a level above me
and a different skill set. I’m just the best player. I don’t wanna invent baseball,
I just wanna be Babe Ruth. Make sense? – [Woman] I have another question. – I only speak in fucking analogies, it’s so ridiculous, like
I’m like sitting here, I’m like, it’s so weird,
it’s just like the way, it makes, you know, it’s so
funny, like live and like, man, of course I did well on Twitter, everybody sat and looked at that thing and said 140 characters? I don’t even know how to start, like everyone was crippled in 2007, and I was like thank God,
and then emojis came, and we started not caring about
spelling and auto correct, I’m like oh my God, I’m back! Like, literally that’s what happened, that’s actually what happened, that’s actually what happened. (laughing) – [Woman] So, maybe this is
interesting to other people too. – Please. – [Woman] So each of us
have our own companies, but also we’re here talking about our own personal brand, and how, you know, as you’re creating all this content, and I know you have multiple channels, how do you differentiate between like, what is the content you’re creating for your company, versus
the content you’re creating for your personal brand, and
where is the intersection and the diversion between the two. – The intersection, diversion,
I leave to serendipity, I don’t over think it. I don’t even know who’s
creating Vayner Media’s content. I’m sure somebody’s currently assigned, which is probably the 37th attempt at it. I just focus on what I’m doing. – [Woman] So all of
your content you create goes just on your personal pages. – That’s right. – [Woman] Okay. – Yeah, I mean, I’m so
intertwined with my business that the collateral saw
dust of what I’m doing will always be far more effective than Vayner Media’s own content strategy. – [Woman] Gotcha. – I believe. While I’m operational. I promise you when I buy Puma tomorrow, probably the first and only thing I’ll do about Vayner Media is the content strategy cause the collateral changes a little bit. – [Man] How do you think
that maps to the people in the room who maybe
haven’t done that already? Cause I’m picturing. – This room is so far away from producing enough of the content
they need to be producing that I don’t even worry about that. People ask me, like
I’ve gotten into so much parenting content that
like I get some fun stuff and they’re like, Gary,
my daughter’s three, I’m really thinking about when she’s 18, I’m like bro, I’m like
let’s worry about four. That’s how I think about it. There’s so much more to be
done right now still on that that I’m not just even worried about it. You know, it’s funny,
I spend a lot of time, which is why it’s so fun to talk with you on the super up here
which is where you’re at, and then super down here,
and nothing in the middle. Right? I have the macro thesis
of what I think human beings are doing with technology advances, and that’s it, and then I’m spending all my time on execution and minutia, and I think everybody’s in the middle. They’re not being thoughtful
enough about the macro and they’re not making. – Everything’s boring. – Everyone’s just not making. I don’t know what to say. You’re not making enough. Thank you guys. – [All] Thank you so much.

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